Nalha Saldana wrote:
Gelvina wrote:
From a skill entry point to these ships I believe the stabber is the hardest to train for.
(for noobs that is offcourse)

firstly you need to train up to tech2 medium autocannons to get barrage.
Which already requires a lot of time for a new player I think (was a long time ago)
Now to properly fly it you require descent missile skills as well?

I know minmatar is in many ships guns+missiles and I like that.
But for this stabber wouldn't it make more sense to maybe give it 1 more turret slot?
I mean its the baby brother to the vaga and you don't need missiles for the vagabond.

Am I making sense?


The other cruisers gets 5 bonused turrets and the stabber gets 4 + 2 missile launchers, if you want to give it a fifth slot you will have to remove the launcher altogether to balance it and that just makes it the same as the others.
I like this mix and think it should stay. Remember that 4 turrets + 2 neuts is also very powerful.]

Yeah with 5 turrets and a Drone Bay it could not stand toe to toe with any of these Cruisers. People from using Double DPS Bonused Medium Projectiles have somehow gotten the mistaken idea that they can do a lot of Dmg. The Stabber has been pretty much unused and it has not received a speed increase at all, only all of its competition has, it is just to low Dmg to really see a lot of use.

This thing is going to be 300 or so DPS and lose some of that in falloff, the new Bellicose or if CCP which said they are not changing much on it the Rupture will be the main Minmatar Kiters despite the lower speed. It won't come close in Dmg to the other 3 with a proper Drone Bay and 5th Turret, but it will be usable at the least.

I don't mind if they cut a little speed from the thing if they have too in exchange for a bit of Dmg. I would rather have that then a redux of what we have now that is only slightly better but used for the most part.

Not quite sure what you're saying about future Caracal here, but it will be able to fit HAMs, MWD and LSE with a single ACR, for 396 DPS excluding drones (CN, triple BCS).

Take a look at the stats you only need 1 RCU or ACR to fit a rack of HAM's + MWD + LSE and your paper DPS is forgetting falloff not to mention the Caracals greater range in general.

That aside pop over to the EWAR thread and take a gander at the Bellicose with 4 Launchers and a 40m3 Drone Bay with greater speed then the Caracal.

Stronger tank then the Stabber. Stabber already has the speed now and surprise no one is using it. People use the Rupture to kite instead.

I don't mind if they keep the weapons layout so much as give it a Rupture sized drone bay.

Damn, those fits are a little bit sad. I don't think I'd take any of them into combat over a Thorax or Caracal. Even the shield fit is only going to have range advantage for 2-3 seconds against a MWD Thorax and it'll just be straight outranged by the Stabber and Caracal.

I guess I'll continue the boost crusade.

-Liang

The issue is it will be slow and lack range control, and you'll be on a bulky ship with only a moderate tank.

What will allow you to get in web range when everybody else is faster than you?

Yeah, that's it. The Omen will be a lot more situational than the other attack cruisers. I'll gladly use it, but it won't be as viable in most situations as the other cruisers. At least, that's my take on it.

ou're... joking right? That Omen only goes ~1200-1400m/s and has no way to really control range. Furthermore it's not like it's good at close range or fast enough to avoid being at close range with anything that wants to close with it. It has no cap booster or nos.

Amarr ships have two paths to being useful:
- Completely outshine everyone else in a naturally slow ship class (battleships, capitals)
- Be fast enough to actually make use of superior damage projection and kiting mechanics. (On a medium hull, this means you need to be fast and have an optimal bonus)

-Liang

ou're... joking right? That Omen only goes ~1200-1400m/s and has no way to really control range. Furthermore it's not like it's good at close range or fast enough to avoid being at close range with anything that wants to close with it. It has no cap booster or nos.

Amarr ships have two paths to being useful:
- Completely outshine everyone else in a naturally slow ship class (battleships, capitals)
- Be fast enough to actually make use of superior damage projection and kiting mechanics. (On a medium hull, this means you need to be fast and have an optimal bonus)

-Liang

Like I said, the Omen is super disappointing to me. It is a totally useless cruiser that doesn't stand a chance against any of the so far rebalanced cruisers and most of today's inferior cruisers.

Serious question to CCP Fozzie;

Even though the Omen has a ROF bonus/Cap use bonus and i'm guessing the Maller will have a Damage bonus/Resist bonus, your aware the Omen will probally be ignored as while sure the cap bonus is ok, you have a better tank and similiar DPS on the Maller, it really doesn't fit for an attack ship. Why not consider an optimal range bonus so people actually consider using it?

Serious question, not a splergy shitpost like most of the thread.

When will CCP realize that speed is worth more then signature radius, just cut the armor rig penalty in half already.

There should be more thought going into the choice of rigs, rather than just HP rigs on everything. Forcing a choice between EHP and mobility is good design, so speed penalties on trimarks should not only be retained but also extended to Extender and Purger rigs. Altering to an agility penalty would probably also work though.

Active-tanking rigs should get no penalty; resist rigs should get either no penalty or a light one, sig radius would probably work.

are all of the cruisers getting visually revamped like the stabber?

or is the moa still going to look like a r3t@rd-osaurus-rex glued to the ass-end of idk what?

im looking forward to seeing some cool looking caldari cruiser for a change. its the reason i skipped them all. =P

but hey the stabber looks grate!
so if its the only one. i guess ill defect to winmatar when i wanna pilot a cruiser =)

wtf dude !?
caldari & gallente got V3'ed 6 months or more before minmatar (which was btw the last race to get V3'ed)
as you not seem to have noticed, there are different factional paint jobs to be seen in the market for the catalyst, which is a hint of beeingV3'ed as subtle as a punch in your face.
caldari already got 2 ships redesigned, amarr got 1 and this by good measure beforehand of any changes to minmatar ship design.


on the topic of attack cruisers; please make them testable like now? :D

you really have no clue what you are talking about....
i wasn't even counting the drake in, because it was only a small overhaul.
raven and scorpion. both remakes are awesome. maybe google a little bit to find the old models. maybe in general look at pics from gallente and caldari ships shortly after the graphic overhaul introduced in "trinity" expansion and compare them to the ships now ingame. especially T2 ships. you will notice a big difference. it kind of makes me wonder why you haven't noticed until now (hint, hint look in the crucible change log ifyou do not believe me. key word: ships )
http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?newpatchlogID=3219